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| black man | Apr 15 2012, 05:29:48 PM Post #1 |
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Professional soccer players, a very small fraction of Korean society, of course: (The numbers refer to guys with dyed hair.) south: http://www.soccermond.com/fifa/world_cup/1986_mexico/teams/south_korea.php : 0/16 http://www.soccermond.com/fifa/world_cup/1990_italia/teams/south_korea.php : 1/18 http://www.soccermond.com/fifa/world_cup/1994_usa/teams/south_korea.php : 0/15 http://www.soccermond.com/fifa/world_cup/1998_france/teams/south_korea.php : 1/17 http://www.soccermond.com/fifa/world_cup/2002_korea-japan/teams/south_korea.php : 7-8(?)/23 http://www.soccermond.com/fifa/world_cup/2006_germany/teams/south_korea.php : 5/23 http://www.soccermond.com/fifa/world_cup/2010_south_africa/teams/south_korea.php : 9(?)/23 (sorry, screen resolution, light conditions and maybe less conspicuous method of dying in some cases) the Japanese seemed to have had a more wide-spread sub-culture of hair dying among soccer players earlier on: http://www.soccermond.com/fifa/world_cup/1998_france/teams/japan.php : 3/22 http://www.soccermond.com/fifa/world_cup/2002_korea-japan/teams/japan.php : 15/22 http://www.soccermond.com/fifa/world_cup/2006_germany/teams/japan.php : 19/22 http://www.soccermond.com/fifa/world_cup/2010_south_africa/teams/japan.php : 13(?)/22 (could be wrong here because this time they're less conspicuous) So some inspiration could have arrived from Japan. north (not really relevant to the trend in South Korea but just because there are some photos of them, too): http://www.soccermond.com/fifa/world_cup/1966_england/teams/north_korea.php http://www.soccermond.com/fifa/world_cup/2010_south_africa/teams/north_korea.php |
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| skywalker | Apr 21 2012, 04:36:19 AM Post #2 |
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The North Koreans, at least in the soccer teams, appear to be less stereotypically Korean than South Koreans in the pictures. |
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| black man | Aug 20 2012, 02:32:36 PM Post #3 |
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Judging from the facial size of Korean soccer players, the comparison with adult North Asians doesn't seem to suffice. So I decided to take a comparing look at Udeghe teenagers, non-adult North Asians who are geographically relatively close to Korea. (Pictures from udege.org.) Square faces appear to be most common in Udeghe teenagers. (This apparently changes when they become adult because the cheekbones start laterally jutting out in adult Udeghe to a more conspicuous extent, at least judging from older photos of adults.) I do perceive a similarity between square-faced Udeghe teenagers and square-faced Korean adults. But the smooth-shaped leptoprosopic and "water-melon seed shaped"(?) facial types seem to be (more or less) lacking in the Udeghe: elongated and with a smooth jaw region (maybe not particularly wide-spread among professional soccer players because it correlates with a constitutional type less common among them): ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() "water-melon seed shaped"(?): ![]() ![]() ![]() In these cases the facial shapes reminds me of that of Nivkhs photographed by Koya some longer period of time ago (y hg O is very common in them, btw); a bony type, face narrows in the jaw region with cheekbones projecting in a conspicuous way (don't know to which extent these guys are actually different from the others, I just selected them because of subjective impressions): ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() These guys remind me of adult Udeghe (and other Amur Tungusic) guys on older pictures although the latter were facially still more robust; I selected the pictures according to cheekbone shape: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IMO most similar to leptoprosopic northern Han because they're facially relatively gracile: ![]() ![]() This one is a bit exceptional, I think, because his cheekbones are even more gracile: ![]() All in all, I wouldn't say that soccer players are ideal for carving out the differences between northern and southern Koreans. One thing IMO noticeable though is that relatively more northerners seem to have narrower mouths in combination with more conspicuous jaws; cheekbones appear to be frontally and vertically thickened rather than laterally prominent in these cases: ![]() ![]() ![]() ^ This particular trait combination doesn't seem to be common in southern Koreans. Southerners with a broad jaw more often seem to have a broad mouth, too. But it re-occurred in the recent North Korean sample as well as in the photos of North Korean soldiers:
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| luxemen | Apr 27 2018, 02:47:22 PM Post #4 |
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North Koreans have a higher tungid/East Eurasian admixture. South Koreans relatively more sinid. You can even find Sudsinid and some South Mongolid types fairly easily among South Korean politicians. A case in point is this North Korean defector lady - I associate her look to be more common among N.Koreans than among S.Koreans: ![]() More N.Korean pics: <--notice higher cheekbones than S.Korean one on left.
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| black man | Apr 27 2018, 04:31:20 PM Post #5 |
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First of all, thanks for the comment, Nurizone. As indicated above, I often work with Russian anthropological literature. And that has a certain impact on the contents of this forum. The reason for which you won't find many references to the expression "Tungid" in this forum is that Russian anthropologists would have "split" the "Tungid". See http://www.anthropedia.science/topic/10036938/1/ . They observed differences between Baikalians and the southern Tungus who were in contact with Manchus, with Han Chinese and probably also directly or indirectly with Koreans. I plan to go into detail about the southern Tungus later on. Literature is in Russian, English, Chinese and Japanese languages among others. So I'll have to compare the different perspectives first of all and to take a look at those aspects concerning which those works complement each other. But I plan to post on it next month or this summer. As for the expression "Sinid", I posted an introduction to related typological expressions at http://www.anthropedia.science/topic/10023211/1/ and some more details in several threads on regional Chinese physical anthropology in the forum section at http://www.anthropedia.science/forum/6000461/ . In short, I think, the term "Sinid" turned out to be sinocentric or Zhou/Han-centric, whereas I'm more in agreement with a kind of inland/coastal paradigm. A coastal/inland paradigm is also relatively much in agreement with archaeological findings (the physical anthropological classification of prehistoric East Asians) as well as what we know about the spread of the Sino-Tibetan language family. Now, the neighbouring coastal regions including southern Korea and Shandong peninsula of China are distinctive in the latter context even though there were historical contacts between Koreans and Han. But prehistorical common backgrounds could be even more interesting, I suppose. I already posted on the Dawenkou population. And I prepared a thread on an ancient Yeanri population. But unless you want to read it right now, I'll post it next week or later on. A third thing I'd like to mention right from the start is what appears to be a coastal substratum in Korea. Some people called it "southern" (maybe because Jeju-do is part of southernmost Korea). But in a pan-East Asian context it's still northern East Asian. And I suppose, it has more to do with what cydevil called "Paleo-Asiatic influences" than with SE Asian influences. The most southern relevant influences could be from the historical Jiangnan region, I'd say. |
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| luxemen | Apr 27 2018, 04:51:21 PM Post #6 |
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I see. Thank you for your comprehensive reply. I admit I'm not completely versed in anthropology to know the fine distinctions in terminology or to know the state-of-art terms. I'm going to have to read through the links and post back later with more organized thoughts. My first intuition though is that you may have a point reg. inland vs. coastal differences rather than labeling is as "tungid" or "sinid". |
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| black man | May 6 2018, 02:41:01 PM Post #7 |
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^ I just added some comments on the Russian categories at http://www.anthropedia.science/topic/10037655/1 . The Russians distinguished between people from different climatic zones. But they could have done this more precisely. One reason for which they didn't is obviously that they didn't have many opportunities to examine southern Manchurian and Korean populations. As for the data collected by Japanese researchers, I'll have to review them at a different weekend. I'll have to re-name files etc. |
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<--notice higher cheekbones than S.Korean one on left.
