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Anything North Asian in Hungarians?
Topic Started: Dec 31 2011, 03:23:29 PM (401 Views)
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update:

a few recent works on East Eurasian admixtures in Hungarians:

Neparaczki et al. 2018: "Mitogenomic data indicate admixture components of Asian Hun and Srubnaya origin in the Hungarian Conquerors"
Maroti et al. 2018: "MITOMIX, an Algorithm to Reconstruct Population Admixture Histories Indicates Ancient European Ancestry of Modern Hungarians"
Neparaczki 2017: "A honfoglalók genetikai származásának és rokonsági viszonyainak vizsgálata archeogenetikai módszerekkel"






old post:

The language of Hungarians indicate that their ancestors could have lived in geographical proximity to the ancestors of Ugrians or Ugrian-related populations. But genetic studies didn't prove any biological similarities. I think, there was a paper which associated Hungarian sub-populations with Iranics. Apart from that, there seems to be a great deal of materials in Hungarian language of theories of common descent with "Turanians", which they assumed to be Turkic-speakers, as far as I remember. That type of literature might have something to do with nationalist ideals. But at least as for physical anthropology, it seems to be sure that there is no significant contribution of North Asians to Hungarian gene pool or phenotype.

I already addressed certain methodological problems which were just briefly indicated by Farkas in his article "Observations on the anthropological study of the living adult Hungarian population. One aspect of the weird terminology some Hungarian researchers in the past can be discussed in a thread visible to a few specialised members only because the it wouldn't make any sense to confuse the average lay reader with outdated taxonomical nonsense. And as I wrote in a thread about pigmentation in Finno-Ugrians, this aspect of Hungarian physiology cannot imply any strong impact of North Asians on contemporary Hungarian phenotypes. Accordingly, I'll go on with some averaged metric data of Hungarian populations...

From 1976 to 1985 the head of the average Hungarian university student became longer (190 > 192) and narrower (159 > 158). Same apparently for face (119 > 123!, 143,4 > 142,8). Note though that errors could have occurred in case that different anthropometrists carried out the measurements. Facial height, which was noted to have increased in particular, belongs to those items which are notoriously problematic in this regard because it can be defined in six or more different ways. Anyway, the measurements indicate the values of a typical European population with a long, broad head, intermediate facial height and moderately broad cheekbones. If the measurements from different years were comparable with each other and always representative for a population the same (regional) ancestry, that might imply a development apparently typical for Europeans (de-brachycephalisation with improved nutrition), too. The means in the female samples being generally smaller, they indicated a parallel development.

Source: G. Gyenis in "Rapid change of head and face in university students in Hungary"




I don't plan to add much more on Hungarian physical anthropology etc as a topic because it's only of marginal interest to me. However, feel free to add and ask questions about updated findings concerning Hungarian phenotypes, genetics, history and culture.
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