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She ethnographic groups of Zhejiang and Fujian
Topic Started: Oct 15 2011, 10:19:43 PM (368 Views)
black man
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In "Die Hsia-min vom Tse-mu-schan" (1931) Stuebel and Liu Hua-min wrote about an ethnographic group in Zhejiang Jingning called "Hsia-min"** back then. They themselves called themselves "Ko-djia-jen" 客家人. This would imply Hakkas. But instead, the authors call them "aborigines" and assume that they're related to the Yao 瑤 because they were called like that in a familial story. As Stuebel and Liu already knew, there are no Yao in Zhejiang. However, they could have meant the She ethnographic group in Zhejiang. This seems to be in agreement with the wikipedia statement that some She speak Hakka and the statement that Hakkas have been intermarrying with She for quite a while. Furthermore, Stuebel and Liu mention that they lived in high valleys and Jingning ("Ching ning") county as the county with the largest "Hsia-min" population in Zhejiang according a census newsworthy back then. According to them, Jingning county less than 17400/44126=39,4% of the Zhejiang population lived there ("less" because they knew about more locations than those mentioned in the newspaper from which got the numbers). Among the "Hsia-min" males depicted by Stuebel and Liu only one has a short, round face with large eyes. The others are long-faced and seem to look like typical rural northern Han.

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- hsia: 田 radical or something similar to it at the bottom, something else at the top. An official interpreted the character as indicative of that these non-Han were immigrants. One boy has a markedly protruding occiput.
- min: 民
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black man
Oct 15 2011, 10:19:43 PM
In "Die Hsia-min vom Tse-mu-schan" (1931) Stuebel and Liu Hua-min wrote about an ethnographic group in Zhejiang Jingning called "Hsia-min"** back then. They themselves called themselves "Ko-djia-jen" 客家人. This would imply Hakkas. But instead, the authors call them "aborigines" and assume that they're related to the Yao 瑤 because they were called like that in a familial story.

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- hsia: 田 radical or something similar to it at the bottom, something else at the top. An official interpreted the character as indicative of that these non-Han were immigrants. One boy has a markedly protruding occiput.
- min: 民
Is the name of this ethnographic group (or at least the exonym used by the authors) 畲民 Shēmín?
If so, it is related to the standard modern exonym for the Shē people (畲族 in Chinese).
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Nov 25 2011, 11:16:16 PM
black man
Oct 15 2011, 10:19:43 PM
In "Die Hsia-min vom Tse-mu-schan" (1931) Stuebel and Liu Hua-min wrote about an ethnographic group in Zhejiang Jingning called "Hsia-min"** back then. They themselves called themselves "Ko-djia-jen" 客家人. This would imply Hakkas. But instead, the authors call them "aborigines" and assume that they're related to the Yao 瑤 because they were called like that in a familial story.

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- hsia: 田 radical or something similar to it at the bottom, something else at the top. An official interpreted the character as indicative of that these non-Han were immigrants. One boy has a markedly protruding occiput.
- min: 民
Is the name of this ethnographic group (or at least the exonym used by the authors) 畲民 Shēmín?
If so, it is related to the standard modern exonym for the Shē people (畲族 in Chinese).


Thanks. addendum: apparently, Stubel heard 畬 / "shia" rather than 畲 / "she". See also the dictionary entry at http://www.zdic.net/zd/zi/ZdicE7Zdic95ZdicAC.htm If I understood correctly, both characters can refer to the She ethnographic group, hsia (or "shia") being old-fashioned.

(Note to myself: I switched from ISO8859-1 to UTF-8 in order to view the characters.)
Edited by black man, Dec 25 2011, 08:22:23 AM.
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