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| manju | Jan 4 2008, 06:55:34 AM Post #1 |
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I came across the post at Indo-Eurasian_research Yahoo group.
If I remember correctly Finno-Ugric languages have Indo-Iranian words. This I believe can be interpreted as Indo-Iranian(who did not have self-designation "Aryans" as in the case of Vedic Indians and Iranians in west Asia and Caucasus) population south of Urals. But I am not sure if contact is around 2500BCE -1500BCE or after 1500 BCE (Scythian expansion). Any thoughts? |
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| black man | Dec 5 2009, 06:11:23 PM Post #2 |
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As previously mentioned in this forum (use the search engine in order to find it), Bouakaze et al. predicted that (some of) the bearers of Andronovo culture in the Altai region were light-pigmented. In Одонтологическая характеристика населения андроновской культуры Алтая Tur narrows it down to people odontologically similar to modern Turkish and Greeks in Bulgaria. (I didn't read the complete paper. So I'm not 100% sure. But at least Tur refers to an Andronovo sample from the Altai region, too.) In two two-dimensional diagrams (figures 2b and 3) taking account of 10 dental traits this cluster is confirmed. "Indians" and Andronovans of what is now Turkmenistan are in both cases relatively close to it. Among the 6 Altai Andronovo males whose patrilineages were classified by Bouakaze et al. in 2007 five carried M17 and one was identified as M216+,M217-. -------- Any closer affinity with the IE-speakers of Thrace and Dacia imaginable? Edited by black man, Jun 3 2010, 05:34:55 PM.
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| ren | Jan 12 2010, 05:27:15 AM Post #3 |
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The skulls from these Bronze Age "Indo-European" cultures in SW Siberia are usually described as "robust Europoid", atleast what I've encountered. The faces are usually very broad, and if it wasn't for cranioscopic traits, they look quite similar to Siberian "Mongoloids". In my opinion, Spencer Wells or Conan O'Brien are a good examples of approximate "robust Europoid" type, which seems to be describing pre-Neolithic Cro-Magnon-like features. "Robust Europoid" would look very different from Thracians and Dacian, if we assume these are Med in facial morphology. Edited by ren, Jan 20 2011, 02:20:07 PM.
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| black man | Jan 20 2011, 04:00:04 PM Post #4 |
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Dacia and Thrace were AFAIK rather associated with the Caucasus (where there are broad-faced populations till today) and the steppe zone to the north of it than with Arabs or even North Africans. I'll have to admit that I never cared much about the physical anthropology of that region though. Thus, I cannot back up with statistics right now. At our forum we so far only had Starbuck's picture collection: http://s6.zetaboards.com/man/topic/8622687/1 Edited by black man, Jan 20 2011, 10:02:25 PM.
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