| Predicting ancient Y-DNA haplogroup of Egyin Gol samples from Northeast Mongolia | |
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| natsuya | May 31 2010, 07:13:28 PM Post #1 |
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Ongoing discussions: http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/05/comparison-between-morphological-and.html Haplogroup prediction from Y-STRs: http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/konglong/attachments/month_1005/10053010243a9c28278442abbd.jpg Aside from C3(xC3c), N1c-Tat and Q-M242, those R1a1a are not so surprising. We all know the rise of Xiongnu empire has something to do with IE-speaking Scythians. The presence of H, J, R1b1b2, O2b and O3 says Xiongnu is united clans of different ethnic origins. Edited by natsuya, May 31 2010, 07:48:39 PM.
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| ren | Jun 1 2010, 03:30:18 AM Post #2 |
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Not necessarily. A very common phenomenon should be that of IE males being adopted by these Eastern tribes or founding clans in these tribes. Because of their advanced nomadic technology, these IE patriarchs would leave their Y-chromosome mark significantly. It doesn't automatically mean Xiongnu was a conglomeration of IE and Eastern tribes. Morphologically, the Xiongnu should be "Mongoloid", and their culture Eastern. Most "Mongoloid" Siberians now have heavy Western lineages, for example the Mongols. |
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| Ebizur | Jun 1 2010, 09:23:59 AM Post #3 |
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I find it a bit odd to use the Mongols as an example of "heavy Western" admixture. I estimate that approximately 10% of modern Mongolian males (i.e. male citizens of Mongolia) may carry Y-DNA that reflects fairly recent admixture from a Western Eurasian source. Mongolia (Hammer et al. 2005) 51/149 = 34.2% C3-M217(xC3c-M86) 27/149 = 18.1% C3c-M86 2/149 = 1.3% D1-M15 2/149 = 1.3% D3a-P47 1/149 = 0.7% G-M201 [This individual belongs to G2a-P15 according to the data of Karafet et al. 2001.] 1/149 = 0.7% H-M69 4/149 = 2.7% J-12f2 [3/149 = 2.0% J2-M172 and 1/149 = 0.7% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) based on comparison with the data of Karafet et al. 2001] 1/149 = 0.7% NO-M214(xN1-LLY22g, O-M175) 9/149 = 6.0% N1b-P43 3/149 = 2.0% N1c1-M178 1/149 = 0.7% O-M175(xO1a-M119, O2-P31, O3-M122) 10/149 = 6.7% O3-M122(xO3a3c-M134) 24/149 = 16.1% O3a3c-M134 1/149 = 0.7% O1a-M119(xO1a2-M110) 2/149 = 1.3% O2*-P31(xO2a-M95, O2b-SRY465) 4/149 = 2.7% Q1-P36 6/149 = 4.0% R-M207 [3/149 = 2.0% R1a1-SRY10831.2, 2/149 = 1.3% R-UTY2(xR1-M173), and 1/149 = 0.7% R1b1-P25 based on comparison with the data of Karafet et al. 2001] The haplogroups that I have put in italics (H-M69, N1b-P43, N1c1-M178, and Q1-P36) are not unambiguously associated with either Western Eurasians or Eastern Eurasians. Actually, two of the six representatives of Y-DNA haplogroup R-M207 that have been found in the Hammer & Karafet team's sample of Mongolians seem to belong to R2 or R*(xR1, R2), so their Western Eurasian association is somewhat tenuous, too. Of course, there also is the caveat that not all the population of Mongolia is ethnically Mongol, and I do not recall having read any statement regarding the ethnic background of the individuals who comprise the Hammer & Karafet team's Mongolian sample. |
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| ren | Jun 2 2010, 04:50:33 AM Post #4 |
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But I didn't even say "heavy Western admixture". I said "heavy Western lineages". Besides that, I do recall other Y-chromosome studies where there were more %-wise such lineages found. Also, the best indicator, mtDNA, shows 8% Western lineages, the last time I checked and if I remember correctly. And don't autosomal DNA K clusters also how this? This is based on memories of course. I'm kinda busy to check at the moment. |
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