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Haplogroup C5-M356; Is it really limited to South Asia and Arabia?
Topic Started: Jan 26 2010, 10:20:46 PM (579 Views)
Ebizur
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Does anyone have a modal haplotype for Y-DNA haplogroup C5-M356? The only C5-M356 haplotypes that I have on hand are those from the .xls file of haplotypes from the 2006 study by S. Sengupta et alii. I am interested in trying to determine more precisely the phylogenetic position of the C-M216(xC1-M8, C3-M217) Y-DNA found in the PRC (cf. Xue et al. 2006) and the C-M216(xC3-M217) Y-DNA found in Turkey (cf. Cinnioglu et al. 2004). Since examples of Y-DNA haplogroup R2-M124 seem to have been found in some populations resident in the PRC (e.g. Manchus) and in Turkey, I am wondering whether a South Asian connection might also be apparent in some of their haplogroup C Y-DNA.
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ren
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Since examples of Y-DNA haplogroup R2-M124 seem to have been found in some populations resident in the PRC (e.g. Manchus) and in Turkey, I am wondering whether a South Asian connection might also be apparent in some of their haplogroup C Y-DNA.

I doubt it. The R2 has probably more to do with the pulse of Indo-Europeans.
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manju
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ren
Jan 27 2010, 01:02:07 AM
I doubt it. The R2 has probably more to do with the pulse of Indo-Europeans.
I would think only Iranians (Persians). And that doesn't make R2 part of original Indo-Europeans.
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ren
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I's say it was picked up somewhere along the wave, but R2 is present in a larger expanse than perhaps you think.
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Ebizur
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While reviewing "New binary polymorphisms reshape and increase resolution of the human Y chromosomal haplogroup tree" (Karafet et al. 2008), I noticed that the following paragraph should have some relevance to the topic of this thread:

Karafet et al. 2008
 
Major rearrangements

While there are no major rearrangements within the C clade,
three new subclades—designated C4, C5, and C6—have been defined.
These subclades are geographically restricted to Australia,
South and Central Asia, and New Guinea, respectively.
It looks like my intuition probably has hit the bull's-eye.
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ren
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South Asian lineages found in Central Asia isn't unusual at all, due to historical reasons.
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manju
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It might be significant if C5 hasn't been observed in Iran at all. I have seen C5, C* being associated with R1a1 with tribes and castes (Sengupta et al. 2005/6). Though there is one tribe, Toda, where C*, R1a1 and J2a are all together.
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black man
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Detected by Zhong Hua et al. in the following individuals:

- XJ105, XJ106 (Xinjiang Xibe)
- X-W-43 (Xinjiang Uygur)
- PY06 (Shanxi Han)

(Their xls file contains, STR data, too.)
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