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Koreans who could pass for non-Koreans
Topic Started: May 24 2009, 02:21:51 AM (3,716 Views)
black man
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Just wondering about the racial components of the Koreans. Do you think that Sino-Tibetans contributed to their gene pool?

I used to do so when classifying small-faced Koreans. But I'm not sure any more...
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Yet, there are also non-Chinese people who could have contributed small faces to the Korean population. Several populations of Dongbei and Neimeng tend to be small-faced
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I'd say that it's the Jilin and Liaoning Manchus, the Xibe (in case that they're still there) and some Mongols.
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They rather look Korean to me, although there is a big overlap with northern Chinese. I've seen more Koreans who look like this on average than Chinese.
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These 2 cud also pass for Non-Koreans.


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There is usually something "off" in the eye and cheekbone regions even when the person could metrically pass for Han. As for the woman whose picture I posted above, I first saw her with make-up which hid her real cheekbone structure. (Same for non-Korean Fuji Takako, btw.) Similarly, I used to think that the Korean American guy of Linkin Park would look "Chinese" when he was younger and I didn't check the cheekbone structure back then.

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They rather look Korean to me, although there is a big overlap with northern Chinese. I've seen more Koreans who look like this on average than Chinese.


The Manchu group, too?

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May 24 2009, 02:12:34 PM
These 2 cud also pass for Non-Koreans.


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I'd guess that Oh Ji Ho might pass for Japanese and Rick Yune for Manchu.
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Rick Yune looks very much Korean to me.
The Manchu picture is probably Han actors. They don't look Korean. There are very few pure Manchus left.
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May 25 2009, 02:46:29 AM
The Manchu picture is probably Han actors. They don't look Korean. There are very few pure Manchus left.
But where do you find such small-faced Han? That would be Shaanxi rather than Hebei, Shandong and Shanxi, from where most Dongbei Han stem. It's not that I'd deny the existence of small-faced NE Han but the percentage is lower in them, I think. Also, I've noticed small-facedness in northeastern minorities (especially Evenks) in combination with North Asian features. Seems to me like a local gracilisation development, independently from that in northern Han.

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Rick Yune looks very much Korean to me.


Well, I don't know who looks like who. However, it was this Liaoning Manchu of whom Rick Yune reminded me:
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ok, Rick Yune's more yellowish skin colour seems to be generally rather uncommon in Manchu-Tungus. Further, the Korean might be slightly more neotenised.
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May 25 2009, 03:45:22 AM
But where do you find such small-faced Han? That would be Shaanxi rather than Hebei, Shandong and Shanxi, from where most Dongbei Han stem. It's not that I'd deny the existence of small-faced NE Han but the percentage is lower in them, I think.
How are they small-faced? They tend to have long, broad faces. Also, such faces are rather normal for NE Han, as well as Hebei and Shandong. The actors in any case might be from anywhere in China, depending on where the picture was taken.
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My fault. I should not have referred to facial size. Actually, anthropometric studies confirmed that Manchu and Han women have on average about equally small faces. But there is something ethnic about these people, I think. The one on the right has very low eyebrows. Also, she and the guy have relatively protruding browridges.

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There are very few pure Manchus left.


Among today's nominal Manchus there still seem to be some ethnic-looking ones, IMO at least. Then again, I might be biased because the I haven't seen as many normal Han women as you probably did.

More Manchu pictures:
http://s6.zetaboards.com/man/topic/8527219/1/#new
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The problem with describing Han as small-faced is that it blankets a diverging collection of archetypes. Yes, there is small-faced types in China that is not found in Korea, usually, but that leaves out a whole set of Chinese who in my opinion are bigger-faced (impression-wise) than Koreans. Such Chinese tend to have broad faces with no clearly defined contour or relief, while Korean faces tend to be broad but have an overall chiseled appearance because of stronger jaw, chin, longer nose.

About a quarter of urban white collar Chinese men tend to look like Danny Cho (who is ironically Korean I think):
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Koreans with bigger faces tend to look like John Yoo (to my impression), who could be rather handsome when thin.
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Yes, interesting observation. I'd say, Danny Cho could indeed pass for one of those elite policemen. On the contrary, John Yoo looks to me like a laterally compressed SE Siberian.
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Usually people who look like this tend to be Southern Chinese, if I'm not delusional, so that in Southern China there are people with extremely small, thin faces as well as extremely mushy, fat-faced people.

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May 29 2009, 12:49:26 AM
Usually people who look like this tend to be Southern Chinese, if I'm not delusional, so that in Southern China there are people with extremely small, thin faces as well as extremely mushy, fat-faced people.

Li Yongliang/—›‰i—Ç: CFO of Microsoft Great China Division
Fujianese of Malaysian derivation according to http://www.cfoworld.cn/nshowarticle1.asp?id=554.

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I read that Chinese physiognomy was traditionally in favour of chubby (though not of extremely overweight) types. But I don't know whether this was based on locally restricted beliefs.

In southern China the percentage of Buddhists is said to be higher. Accordingly, the percentage of people who believed that looking like a "fat Buddha" figurine would be desirable for men could have been higher, too. In many premodern cultures overweight patriarchs were thought to be have achieved wealth. The fat belly was a status symbol. Anything comparable known from the north?
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While fat men maybe associated with wealth and health, they were never considered attractive, so they would have to have wealth to attract mates, and not simply by looks.

A more plausible explanation is that light skin and intelligence/temperament selection selected for neotenizing traits that lightened skin color, increased % epicanthic fold, and reduced prognathism, leaving the southern nose unaffected, thus resulting in the guys like the man you see above, physically and genetically altering a Southern Chinese population.
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May 30 2009, 03:21:48 AM
While fat men maybe associated with wealth and health, they were never considered attractive, so they would have to have wealth to attract mates, and not simply by looks.

A more plausible explanation is that light skin and intelligence/temperament selection selected for neotenizing traits that lightened skin color, increased % epicanthic fold, and reduced prognathism, leaving the southern nose unaffected, thus resulting in the guys like the man you see above, physically and genetically altering a Southern Chinese population.


Added eye fold statistics according to social classes at http://s6.zetaboards.com/man/single/?p=8001118&t=8508039 (the middle and upper classes were pooled with northerners and southerners though)
Edited by black man, May 30 2009, 07:50:16 AM.
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