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Sino-Tibetan & Austronesian
Topic Started: Nov 1 2006, 04:04:47 AM (1,658 Views)
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Sino-Tibetan & Austronesian proposed by Laurent Sagart.
Tai-Kadai is actually a branch of Austronesian in this theory.

It is based on the comparative method, the reconstruction of roots/cognates, and falsifiable (scientifically provable or disprovable), but so far has received no general support, or support at all, in the linguistic community.

Sagart's articles:
Sagart, Laurent. (2002). Sino-Tibeto-Austronesian: An updated and improved argument (PDF). Paper presented at Ninth International Conference on Austronesian Linguistics (ICAL9). 8-11 January 2002. Canberra, Australia.
(found this on Wikipedia's Austronesian page)

Sagart, Laurant. Proto-Austronesian and the Old Chinese evidence for Sino-Austronesian. 33:271–308 (1994). Oceanic Linguistics

Sagart,L. (1990) Chinese and Austronesian are genetically related. Paper presented at the 23rd
International Conference on Sino-Tibetan Languages and Linguistics,October 1990,Arlington, Texas.
Sagart's further refinements:
The vocabulary of cereal cultivation and the phylogeny of East Asian languages





A critique of it by Starostin:
http://starling.rinet.ru/Texts/fbasic.htm

Some articles about the various Asian language families' proposed relationships:
http://www.uhpress.hawaii.edu/journals/ol/OL332.html
Edited by ren, Aug 8 2010, 07:58:34 PM.
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The same critique by Starostin, but in pdf format:
http://starling.rinet.ru/Texts/ochin.pdf
(looks better as it shows the IPA symbols more correctly, but takes longer time to load)
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m•ɱ•n̪•n••ɳ•ɲ•ŋ•ɴ
ɸβ•fv•θπ•ʃʒ•ʂʐ
ŋ̍ m̩ n̩ ʰːˑ ɐ̆ɕʑ
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Comments on Sino-Tibetan-Austronesian from LingList:
http://lloyd.emich.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind99...=1&F=&S=&P=4379

Some general info. on East Asian language families and theories:
http://www.ohll.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/pages/doc...256,1,Languages and genes: recent work and emerging results Aussois: 22-25 September 2005




2010-8-8
Austronesian vocab database with Old Chinese comparison
http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/austronesian/language.php?id=331&history=all
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Some Hypotheses on the Formation of East Asian Language Families
http://www.ddl.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/colloques/NDHL2008/Powerpoint/10-Sagart.pdf

The homeland of Sino-Tibetan-Austronesian: where and when ?
http://comonca.org.cn/PDF/2011/COMONCA05-021.pdf




.Other linguists who support Sagart:
2010-11-8
Chinese linguist supporting Sagart:
"Han-Zangyu tongyuanci yanjiu, vol. 3: Han-Zangyu yanjiu de fangfalun tansuo [Cognate words in Sino-Tibetan languages, vol. 3: Methodological issues in Sino-Tibetan research] (review)"

new: 1. Vovin: "Building a 'Bum-pa for Sino-Caucasian"
has gone from against it to supporting it (he was in favor of Sino-Caucasian)
p. 164
-"has managed to acquire supporters from a general historical linguistic audience, and this support seems to grow tih everyday"

2. Hyslop has reconstructed on her own and her reconstructions also support Sagart.

3. Reid has also come to support this theory.
Quote:
 
in a significant development, Reid (this
volume) stresses that the Austronesian-Austroasiatic relationship need not be
monophyletic, and that while he regards a genetic relationship of Austronesian
and Austroasiatic as secure, Sino-Tibetan may be part of that relationship and
stand closer to Austronesian than to Austroasiatic. Reid’s position is close to that
in Sagart (1994:303 and see below).

Source: Peopling of East Asia

4. van Driem's supports this theory over Sino-Caucasian
SINO-AUSTRONESIAN VS. SINO-CAUCASIAN,
SINO-BODIC VS. SINO-TIBETAN, AND
TIBETO-BURMAN AS DEFAULT THEORY
http://www.eastling.org/paper/Driem.pdf

5. Confirmation from an independent theory:
Rethinking the *-s hypothesis for Chinese qusheng tone
http://chinese.pku.edu.cn/shisheng/teacher...shengorigin.pdf




2010-8-17
Austronesian Roots and Sino-Tibetan - Hanson

Some Current Issues in Austronesian Linguistics - Malcom D. Ross

What is Sino-Tibetan? Snapshot of a Field and a Language Family in Flux - Zev Handel
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