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Mongush Tuvans
Topic Started: Apr 24 2017, 06:17:08 AM (166 Views)
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most recent addendum:

according to Vainshtein on p. 43 of "Nomads of South Siberia", Mongush Tuvan patrilineages chose a Mongolian orientation. But a glimpse at the hts in the most common hg addressed below seems to reveal DYS19-15 in five of six cases and the DYS448-20, DYS458-18 combination in three of these cases. I.e., N-B187+ could be more important than N-F205+ among Mongush Tuvans. This could be interpreted as indicating a relatively high level of local continuity rather than Mongolian backgrounds judging from my interpretation of one of Ebizur's replies in the "Major Tuvan y hg N lineages" thread.

older addendum:

according to the data provided by Marchi et al. 2017, Mongush Tuvans neighbour Ondar Tuvans somewhere in central Tuva. Accordingly, there could be mtDNA profiles similar in one or the other way. In fact, "C4a1+16129" occurs in 4/19=21,1% of the Mongush sample and in 5/16=31,3% of the Ondar samples. By contrast, this ht category present in just 3/38=7,9% of their Irgit Tuvan samples. However, Mongush Tuvans also have hg B in common with Irgit Tuvans. So their mtDNA profile seems to be in between the mtDNA hg profiles of Ondar and Irgit Tuvans.

That said, note that Yukaghir hts pop up right in between South Siberian ones in mtDNA hg C according to Pakendorf et al. 2006 and Derenko et al. 2010. So even the most common hg of the Yukaghirs is by no means anything which would isolate them from other North Asians. On the contrary, it seems to indicate ancient matrilineal relatedness to South Siberian populations in the Sayan region in particular. That could btw also sufficiently explain why Tuvans and other Sayan peoples look North Asian despite of being more or less different from Mongols, Altaians and Yeniseians.

Now, what is potentially interesting concerning Mongush Tuvans could be that they are, as mentioned above, intermediate. In this sense, studies on them could carve out something like specific degrees of cultural assimilation and dissimilation in the steppe/taiga transitional zone.

see below plus
Derenko et al. 2010: "Origin and Post-Glacial Dispersal of Mitochondrial DNA Haplogroups C and D in Northern Asia"; doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0015214
Pakendorf et al. 2006: "Investigating the eVects of prehistoric migrations in Siberia"; doi: 10.1007/s00439-006-0213-2

old post:

y hg profile of the sample examined by Marchi et al. 2017:
C-M130+: 1
J-M304+: 1
K-M9+, LLY22g-, M45-, M20-: 1
N-LLY22g+: 6=54,5%
Q-M242+: 1
R-M173+: 1

=> this seems to imply mainstream Tuvan background. I'll probably not check the y hts. Feel free to do so on your own.

Marchi et al. 2017: "Sex-specific genetic diversity is shaped by cultural factors in Inner Asian human populations"; doi: 10.1002/ajpa.23151

Interestingly, there is a Mungush "tribe" among the Kyrgyz. Miklashevskaya et al. conducted physical anthropological studies as for that particular group. These people might have something to do with Mongush Tuvans in the sense of "tribal" genealogies reflecting both historical and quasi-historical backgrounds at the same time. So they don't need to be genetically close to each other. And it will be up to linguistics and local historians to clarify what that could mean.
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